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Research Paper on Ravi's Water Fuel cell Replication
I'm not here to argue whether things work as per the preset laws of physics or
thermodynamics but you need to keep an open mind to evolve and see if something actually works I'm an engineer and been taught that things
don't work if you break the laws. Well I know my laws thank you. I've been making cells for the last 8 years but now I've got something that
works. If people want to replicate it they can I'm giving out info on how to do it if they don't want to fine by me! I'm getting nothing nor
losing any thing by this. Stan wanted to sell his units! well I'm not! This is for the people who are already trying it out and who want to
do something about the environmental mess the world is in, its accelerating by the year and it wouldn't be long before that the powers be
would realize that most of these changes are irreversible. Vanishing Glaciers, melting polar caps, Europe has seen the hottest summers in
living memory and now Asia is going through the worst floods in the living memory. We are heading for a disaster and have already reached a
point of no return with the fossil fuel addiction. Its time we make ourselves count by Creating this togeter now! The Internet can really
accelerate our success beyond anyone's ability to stop it.
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Helping others to make this technology feasible and easy to replicate whatever small contribution no matter how much ever small to improve
the air we breathe would go a long way for our children's future.
1556We need people to know this side of science before its too late look at the change
in
1579the environment in the last 100 years in the garb of development were ruining the
world
1602we live in for the future generations and we are shown a picture of development as
1626prosperity actual fact being more the prosperity more we ruin the environment for
our
1649creature comforts its a vicious cycle we could introduce the alternate science
at
1672places where its hurting the environment the most at least in a small way. End
quote-
1695Ravi
1734Overview
1772Replication
1810Faculty information
1848Panacea Endorsed Supplier of cells and components
1887Supplies
1925Related Links
1963Related Ravi Technical discussion
2001Videos
2040Credits
2078;left:404">Overview
2127The following research paper is the first document in a sequence of material which
will
2150be used to create a complete course on pulsed DC resonant systems. This course will
2173be coming to the Panacea University site soon. This research paper mean time intends
2197only to out line the specific replication criterion which is necessary to
duplicate Ravi's
2220water fuel cell results. All related faculty information, validation data and
further details
2243of the water fracture process will be included in the complete course
material
2266expected to be ready in late 2008.
2305Ravi Raju is a registered open source engineer with Panacea and has
recently
2328disclosed his WFC replication success. Ravi's version is based on the old (now
2351upgraded) Panacea university "D14" plans. These plans originated from the disclosures
2375and device of open source engineer Dave Lawton.
2551;left:0">
style="font-size:14px;font-family:Times">Dave Lawton's success in constructing a working VERSION of the Meyer
WFC was reported to produce gas at 3x the Faradic equivalent rate for the power consumed. Dave, who spent much of his career at Britain's
Rutherford Labs (equiv. U.S. Lawrence Livermore) designing and constructing instrumentation for high energy particle
physics
2752research, is far from the average 'tinkerer'.
3145;left:314">Dave Lawton's original WFC(Water Fuel cell)
3178Videos of his two WFC units, one with an
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md8-wvV2jHM&NR=1">
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md8-wvV2jHM&NR=1">alternator based circuit, and one
face="Times">employing
3202solid state timing
logic, was posted on YouTube and has since received over 50,000 hits.
3225The cells operated at 12-13v/3-4a - averaging approximately 57 watts of input power -
3248producing gas aggressively in distilled water with no added electrolyte.
3287The difference between Ravi's replication results and Dave's is that Ravi built a
bigger
3310cell and conducted a gas flow meter test. This gas flow meter test proved with out
any
3333doubt that he had some thing closely related to Meyer's original process.
Meyer's
3356results reportedly showed an out put which was up to 1700% above Faradays law of
3380electrolysis. Thus it is only logical to assume that the pulsed DC resonant systems
are not
3403conventional electrolysis.
3441Nothing about this process involved in the Water Fuel Cell resembles electrolysis.
There
3464is no electrolyte used; there is NO current admitted to the water, in a proper
system. No
3488heating occurs in the water as it produces gas. The gas produced is Hydroxy (aka HHO
3511or "Brown's Gas"), not differentiated Hydrogen & Oxygen; and all of the
work is
3534performed by voltage potential alone.
3572As a result of Ravi disclosing his gas flow test on you tube, intimidation intended
to
3596interfere with his research resulted. Ravi was
face="Times">un lawfully threatened
href="http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/meyerswatercell.htm">. This prompted
3739;left:0">
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3847public action by the non profit organization and a reporting of this incident to
the
3870authorities by us. Currently our subscribers keep a public watch on Ravi's and the
3894organizations actions. The public are needed to assist in this task to stop
energy
3917suppression, please
href="http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/newsletter/newsletter.htm">subscribe to our news letter. Only consolidated in this task can we
3940effectively prevent engineers from being harassed and enable them to freely
present
3963free energy research to the public.
4002The Non profit organization Panacea-BOCAF intends to support open source engineers
4025working with the WFC and other suppressed clean energy technologies. These
4048engineers require grants, resources, faculty recognition and security. All this can
be
4071created in
href="http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/researchanddevelopment.htm">Panacea's proposed granted research and development center.
For those
4095able to help this effort, please
href="http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/forms/contact.php">Contact us.
4133Ravi's version of "D14" used bigger 9" (inch) tubes and a 9 tube set. This gave him a
4156resulting lower input current of 0.51 Amps from the frequency generator. Given the
4179efficiency reports by Ravi this technology is an invaluable power management process
4203which the mainstream faculties must benefit from. As an emission cutting device
and
4226power savings device alone, this technology justifies (and needs) law for its
mandatory
4249implementation.
4287The Non profit organization Panacea-BOCAF intends to support open source engineers
4311working with the Meyers other suppressed clean energy technologies. These engineers
require grants, resources, faculty recognition and security. All this can be created
in
href="http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/researchanddevelopment.htm">Panacea's proposed granted research and development center
color="#000000" face="Times">. For those able to help this effort, please
href="http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/forms/contact.php">Contact us.
Panacea's page on Meyer's technology
Description
Until further OPEN SOURCE testing can be done, so far it is
understood that there is compound resonance present in the WFC (actually it is more of an electrolyzer than a fuel cell). This compound
resonance has so far been evident in experimenter's cells. There is an electrical resonance between the inductors (Resonant Charging Choke
coils), there is an electrical resonance within the electrode gap itself within the water,and, finally, there is an acoustical resonance
between the cylindrical electrodes, which is somehow phase coupled to the electrical resonances.The electrical resonance involves a phase
delay between the pulses to the electrodes, which has the effect of inhibiting current flow into the cell; the acoustic resonance may be
producing a standing wave which inhibits ion transport. Both of these contribute to dielectric breakdown in the water, which is where
electrons are ripped from the water
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5035(by voltage alone) and as a result producing monatomic (browns gas) hydrogen in
the
5058process.
5097This concept and technology first surfaced in the 1990's, individuals such Dr. Henry
5120Puharich showed that by molecular resonance the production of this gas are
possible,
5143as did Dr Yull Brown hence the name Brown's gas. The reality of the hydrogen on
5166demand process became self evident with the emergence of the Stanley Meyer's
5190water fuel cell patent, which showed that conventional electrolysis theory is
incomplete
5213and not the whole picture as Stanley Meyer was able to create enough hydrogen out
5236of the water to run a car from as little as 13 volts and very little amperage. Stan's
5259efficiency's were calculated to be up to 1700%.
5298Today this pulsed resonant DC hydrogen on demand process is still currently
unknown
5321and thought to be impossible by the mainstream faculties. What mainstream
faculties
5344must realize is that there is not one part of ‘Water Fuel Cell' operation which
resembles
5367conventional electrolysis. Therefore the out puts are not expected to resemble
5391faraday's equations in any way.
5429;left:117">1) There is no electrolye; 2) There is NO current admitted to the water, in a
proper
5452system; 3) No heating occurs in the water as it produces gas; 4) The gas produced
is
5475Hydroxy (aka HHO or "Brown's Gas"), not differentiated Hydrogen &
Oxygen; and 5) All
5499of the work is performed by voltage potential alone.
5537If you think how an opera singer is able to split glass with her voice, by the pitch
and
5560freq of sound waves, this is resonant with the glass and either splits, fractures or
cracks
5584the glass. The simple way to explain what Stan Meyer is able to do is he is using
electric
5607frequency instead of sound to split the water from resonance created in the water
by
5630circuitry and steal cylinders. It is understood that Stan harnessed the voltage
potential.
5653There is still allot mainstream science doesn't not yet have in their curricula
regarding
5677voltage or electricity. For example
href="http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/teslaericdollard.htm">
href="http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/teslaericdollard.htm">Tesla's Longitudinal and transverse waves.
5715Technically it is thought the gas results from an electromagnetic deformation of the
5738ionized water molecule to Hydroxy (HHO), in which the Hydrogen atoms are
bound
5761magnetically, at less than the 105o separation classically attributed to H2O. This
results in
5785a stronger magnetic polarization of the molecule, whereby it also carries an
additional
5808electrical charge, and is recovered upon combustion.
5846The complete preciseness of the physical mechanism involved is still not
completely
5869agreed upon today, however the technology works. You can see this in certain
5893industrial welding equipment that use the unique properties of Brown's Gas. This has
5916been commercially available for over 25 years, removing all doubt as to its
existence.
5954When the water fuel cell technology emerged In the '90s, it was assumed by the
energy
5978suppressors, one would suppose, that by murdering Yull Brown that Brown's Gas would
6115;left:0">
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6223disappear as a technical concept; or that with killing Stan Meyer and Puharich, the
6246WFC would 'dry up and blow away' They certainly believed that if all THREE! Were out
of
6270the picture; the water fuel issue would sink beneath the waves.
6308There is no regulation at the federal level committing grants and security into
harboring
6331the manufacture of this suppressed alternative energy technology. The current
6354mandated laws do not prevent a corporate cartel based influence from making or
6378creating difficult economical or political conditions to suppress this
environmentally
6401sound technology and further harbor their own profit motives. They can also simply
buy
6424the patent off the inventor and shelve it, there is no law preventing them form
this.
6462Despite there currently being no regulation and or social reforms into these
matters,
6486and these murders the water fuel cell issue is very much alive and being preserved
6509today more then ever, this has only been able to be done with the aid of open
sources
6532engineers, whom are part of a non profit organization called Panacea-BOCAF. These
6555engineers have independently successfully replicated a version of the Meyers water
6579fuel cell from his patent and disclosed their results and instructions open sourced
on the
6602organizations on Line University.
6640Why open sourced? Well, one can judge by history why this is the only way.
Examples
6663can be seen in water fuel cell technology done by an individual named Steve Ryan's
6687who operates the Bios fuel corporation, Steve presented a water powered
motorcycle
6710In late 2005, there was a segment aired on the show "60 Minutes" in New
Zealand. This
6733process may have used some sort of catalytic process to turn the water into a usable
6756fuel. When the non profit organization recently asked Steve what happened to his
6780technology, he replied and I quote due to the current economic and political
6803conditions we are unable to bring you the water fuel cell technology at this time. He
6826now only sells a 50/50 mix of water and fuel.
6865Energy suppression does exist today, Stanley Meyer is thought to have died of UN
6888known food poisoning, other engineers with technology have been removed also. Also
6911recently the Xogen and black light power cooperation both had working water fuel
cell
6934technologies, plus 4 other companies have hydrogen on demand
technologies,
6958including a very interesting effect patented by Prof. Kanarev, all have not been able
to
6981publicly disseminate their technology.
7019So where does that leave the public, open sourced public disclosures:
7057;left:226">Allow NO WAITING FOR SOME COMPANY TO GET A PATENT
7096;left:146">NO WAITING FOR SOME MANUFACTURER TO GET PRODUCT OUT TO THE MASSES
7134;left:231">NO SPECIAL "HIDDEN COSTS" TO APPLY THE TECHNOLOGY
7172;left:177">NO "I CAN'T SHOW YOU EVERYTHING BECAUSE OF INVESTORS" EXCUSES
7303;left:0">
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7411;left:109">NO WAY FOR THIS TO BE HELD BACK FROM THE PUBLIC IN ANY WAY EXCEPT FOR GETTING
7434;left:396">THE WORD OUT!
7473;left:225">NUMEROUS PROVEN REPLICATIONS AROUND THE GLOBE!!!!!
7511This replicated version of the Meyer's technology can be done on-board motor vehicles
7534with a small auxiliary device powered by the vehicle's electrical system, in effect
7557allowing the use of water as fuel to act as a boost to the internal combustion engine
7581and improve MPG significantly. The combustible gas mixture produced is generated as
7604needed, and not stored aboard the vehicle, making it possible to burn ordinary water
in
7627any Internal Combustion Engine, Turbine, Furnace, or Torch, processing it into fuel
on-
7650demand, in real-time, without transportation or storage of compressed or liquid
7674Hydrogen, caustic alkalis, catalytic salts, or metal hydrides. This process yields
only water
7697vapor as exhaust, which may be easily recovered by means of a
radiator/heat
7720exchanger, and re circulated in the engine system if desired.
7758This is available for any one to replicate now on our on line university. The
organization
7782has hundreds of registered engineers who are seeking grants; a host of other water
fuel
7805cell engineers have begun to join a distributed research initiative to deliver
practical,
7828public domain technologies to the world in an Open Source environment.
7866All are prepared to collaborate in a resource grant based environment, as can be
by
7890done in the non profit organizations proposed granted research and development
7913center, where a whole host of other technologies can be produced, all of which are
7936profiled on the web site. Meyer's original performance levels were reported to be has
7960high as 1700% efficiency from creating molecular resonant frequencies in
water.
7983Currently this water fuel cell technology needs further investigation to reach that
level,
8006and has allot of potential.
8044Recently tests on the replication of the Meyer's WTF cell also showed effects of cold
8068current electricity. What is cold current electricity; it was used by
color="#0000ff" face="Times">EVGRAY in his
8091patented radiant energy motors, where he was able to light up light bulb
underwater
8114using cold current electricity.
8491;left:0">
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8852;left:170">Dave Lawton's cold current electricity demo, all photos courtesy of Dave (Thanks
Dave!)
8885EVGRAY like Meyers was also killed. We at panacea feel that the granted research and
8909development center is needed to create social reform, as the public will know why its
8932there and what subject matter goes on there, the main stream faculties can also
8955benefit from the organizations findings and research and development., but we need
8979grants to survive. Mean time any experimenters can replicate the open sourced
9002findings of this and other technologies which are made available on the panacea
9025online university.
9063;left:394">Replication
9679;left:0">
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9787To achieve Ravi's efficiency, a strict selection and preparation of stainless steel
tubing is
9810important. The following parameters need to be considered.
9849;left:302">1) Choice of the grade of stainless steel
9887;left:262">2) Tube gap and Thickness / SWG / AWG of tubes
9925;left:315">3) Pre preparation and conditioning
9963;left:312">Choice of the grade of stainless steel
10002Stan said he used T304 in line 52 of patent # 4936961.Ravi's choice was to use 316L
10025seamless pipes. Use ONLY SEAMLESS PIPES and not seam welded. These tubes were
10048annealed for 3 hours in inert atmosphere of Argon to remove all residual magnetism
10071and cold work stresses before they were assembled. Even Nitrogen can be used as the
10095inert atmosphere. The tubes are annealed
to get rid of the crystal lattice imperfections
10118induced due to cold work and any traces of residual magnetism. They have to be
in
10141bright finish only you don't want oxides of nickel chromium or iron on the surface
(more
10164details in preparation below).
10203;left:113">You can use most of the 300 series Nickel-Chromium Steels but 316L would be the
most
10226preferable and next would be 304L. Never go for 310 as this has the highest
resistivity
10249among the 300 series. Avoid Inconel grade (High Nickel Alloys) pipes as well due to
their
10272high coefficient of resistance. Just between 316 and 316L there's a lot of
difference in
10296resistivity of the material due to carbon presence. Seam welds have magnetized seam
10319lines along the length of the tubes. You must have them annealed after
10342machining/cutting/sanding before being assembled. If considering 316L stainless,
the
10365slight increase in Molybdenum, Nickel and Chromium would increase the
Electric
10389Specific Resistance of the material ever so slightly, but the thicknesses can offset
this
10412problem. One needs to find out if there is any Aluminium content in the grade. If
the
10435aluminum content is less than 0.5 Wt% or nil, you could use this if it is easily
available in
10459seamless form and your required size.
10497The reason why you need to check for Aluminum content is that it is used as a
10520deoxidizer during the melting and alloying process. So there is a possibility of it
10543remaining in trace amounts based on the amount of O2 available in the bath for it to
10567turn to Alumina and float up in the slag. Aluminum is the main component in
Fe-Cr-Al
10590alloys which increases the electrical specific resistance. Incase these
manufacturers use
10613Cerium mischmetal or some other Rare Earths for deoxidizing, we don't even need
to
10636consider Al. The 316L seamless tubes Ravi used were sourced from a retailer of
‘Sandvik,
10660Sweden'.
10698;left:422">Using 304
10867;left:0">
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10975Stan claimed he was using T-304 SS. As there is no caustic electrolyte as such, is
right to
10998say that 304 grade s/s can be used. However, expect there to be a good deal of
11022brown gunk generated during the conditioning process, with the additional part
11045coming from the 304 material. There are some higher percentages of Ni and Cr in 316
11068and 2% of Molybdenum. Some of the manufacturers use Cerium Mischmetal (Rare
11091earths) during the melting and pouring operations and this is done in the more
11115expensive alloys like 316 to increase the hot life and the surface layer strength
and in
11138case of seamless tubes a little extra silicon is added for free flow in hot
condition (Hot
11161Extrusion of seamless tubes).
11199All these put together add up to different metallurgical properties of the material
in our
11223case. When in hot condition the Rare Earths, Silicon, Molybdenum tends to
migrate
11246towards the surfaces of the metal and this helps in the formation of a strong
protective
11269surface layer (The reason why I said annealing was important). SS 316L is the only
SS that
11292can be used in human Medical Implants other than titanium, that's how stable 316L
11316grade is.
11354;left:275">In summery -The best grade of SS to use is 316L
11377;left:314">Next preference is 316,304L and 304.
11400;left:305">L stands for Low Carbon in the SS alloy.
11447;left:379">316L composition: %
11470;left:405">Carbon : 0.03
11494;left:395">Manganese: 2.0
11517;left:380">Phosphorous : <0.45
11540;left:388">Sulphur : 0.03 max
11563;left:416">Silicon : 1.0
11587;left:379">Chromium : 16 to 18
11610;left:397">Nickel : 12 to 14
11633;left:363">Molybdenum : 2.0 to 3.0
11680;left:214">Plain 316 SS nickel range is 10 to 14% and carbon being 0.08%
11703;left:134">304 SS has lesser % of Nickel and Chromium and doesn't have Molybdenum at
all.
11741;left:273">Tube gap and Thickness / SWG / AWG of tubes
11780;left:348">Ravi's tubes sizes used were:
11818;left:351">Outer Pipe OD : 25.317 mm
11856;left:334">Thickness : 14 SWG or 2.032 mm
11894;left:279">Outer Pipe ID : 25.317 - (2.032 x2) = 21.253mm
12055;left:0">
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12421;left:354">Inner Pipe OD : 19.930 mm
12459;left:334">Thickness : 14 SWG or 2.032 mm
12498;left:325">Gap is 1.323mm ( 21.253 - 19.930 )
12789;left:113">This was adjusted to both the sides as the inside pipe is centered is 1.323/2 =
0.6615 mm
12812on either sides of the inner tube. So effectively the gap between the pipes is less
than
128350.670 mm. Ravi went for a lesser gap by increasing the thickness of the outer tube.
Ravi
12859had some difficulty in the alignment of pipes as they were shorting. He had to get
them
12882straightened on a pipe alignment machine. Ravi does not suggest that people without
12905engineering skills go for this small a gap, but is convinced that the higher
output of my
12928setup could be due to this small gap. SWG stands for Standard Wire Guage
12967Suggestions are, you really don't want an outer tube smaller than one inch, so
that
12990pushes us to the 2 mm wall thickness. The inner diameter of a 25.4 mm tube 2 mm
thick
13013(14 SWG) is 21.4 mm, so for a 1 mm gap, the inner tube needs to be 19 mm. The outer
13036diameter of a 3/4" tube is 19.05, which would give a gap of 1.175 mm. For a 1.5
mm
13060gap, you would need an inner tube diameter of 17 mm.
13243;left:0">
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13351If you were to use the 1-inch 16 SWG (1.626mm, then it is difficult to determine the
exact
13374wall thickness, so you should check with the supplier. In that case, a 20 mm inner
tube
13398would give 1.1 mm (or 1.112 mm) and if the inner tube has a diameter of 3/4" or
19.05
13421mm, it would give a gap of 1.575 mm (or 1.587 mm). Ravi suggests, Order for an outer
13444pipe of 1" (25.4mm) OD and a thickness of 16SWG (1.6mm) and an inner tube of
20mm
13467OD. This size should be available commercially anywhere. With this you can get a gap
13491of 1.1mm.If you want lesser gap than that just increase the thickness to 14SWG (2.0
13514mm), this should give you a gap of 0.7mm but is very difficult to align as the
spacing is
13537close.
13575Calculation: (Both setups have same tube diameters)
13614Dave's WFC: 6 tube of 5 inch length. Considering the gas generating heights of 6
tubes
13637x 5 inches = 30 inches in length/height. Ravi's WFC: 9 tubes of 9 inch length.
That's an
13660increased reactive surface area of over 150% than Dave's. Dave's and Stan's systems
13683had a spacing of 1/16" (1.5875mm). Ravi's pipes have a gap of less than 0.670mm
13707(could be the main reason for the higher efficiency in his unit).
13996;left:399">Dave Lawtons cell
14030What also must be taken into account is that Ravi is using 9 tube sets of 9"
length and
14054the inner being 1/2" more than the outer for connections. Dave used 6 tubes of
5"
14077length for his 300% OU.
14431;left:0">
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14868;left:399">Dave Lawtons cell
14902Stan's were 9 tubes of 18" length on his demonstration electrolyzer and in one
of the
14925videos available. In Stan's version there are claims that he's making 1700% OU over
14948Faradays. When compared to this efficiency Ravi states he has some more work to
do.
14971However any OU is good OU :).
15010;left:408">Tube holders
15048;left:198">You Tube tutorial Jamie's
Replication - Making of the tube holders
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15727;left:327">Pre preparation and conditioning
16053Preparation of the Tubes: IT IS ADVISED THAT POLISHED TUBES ARE NOT TO BE USED IN
16077MAKING THE WFC. If one is to use them make sure they are not Nickel plated or Hard
16100Chrome plated pipes. If they are Plain SS 304L or 316L but polished you must use a
sand
16123paper on them before hand. The brightness of your tubes reflection is based on how
16146small a grit of sand paper you use. The tubes have been fixed to a lathe and
sanded
16170with very fine grit paper to remove any oxidation on the surface after annealing of
the
16193pipes. The inner tubes need to be sanded to remove all discoloration (oxides). Use
as
16216small a grit to get fine scratches and when you condition at low amps the bonding
16239between the white coat (explanation later) and the metal is good. Do not try high
amp
16263conditioning at the start as you want a thin fine layer on the fresh metal.
16301If you order large pipes and cut them, you need to get the tubes annealed once
they
16324are cut and finished to lengths before being assembled. It's done in a separate
inert
16347atmosphere furnace of Nitrogen or Argon. You have people who do heat treatment
for
16371metals they'll give you the procedure if you tell them the grade you are using.
16409Tell them that you need a bright anneal in nitrogen or argon atmosphere. Annealing
is
16432done after every cold work operation and at the finishing stage to reset the
lattice
16455structure. As we are cutting the pipes and slightly finishing the surfaces with sand
paper
16479to remove any imbedded impurities during tube drawing, it's all cold working. So
you
16502need to relieve these induces stresses in the lattice through
annealing.
16540Ravi advises - Use an abrasive cutter or a saw and then anneal them as you
induce a
16564lot of stresses in the lattice during cutting due to the hot and cold areas. If you
use laser
16587then you could cut the annealed tubes as you are not inducing any mechanical
16610stresses during the cutting but you could check along the length with a compass
and
16633see if there's any difference. Take a compass close to the tubes and you can
usually
16657see it deflecting before annealing but once the annealing is done the deflection
is a
16807;left:0">
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16915fraction of what you have seen before on the same tubes or none at all, this is
what you
16938want.
16977Assembly options- It appears that Dave Lawton used insulated copper wire to
connect
17000to his tubes. Ravi used spot wielded stainless steal wire on his tubes. Originally
Ravi had
17023his wires too long which had a negative impact on his efficiency. He then had to
17046shorten them.
17342;left:115">Video -New copper leads
being connected by shortening the length of previous leads
17380As per Stan's Patent each inside tube is connected to an individual variable
resistance.
17403He has 18 leads ( 9 +ve and 9 -ve). Ravi has since advised that copper leads covered
17427with high temperature automotive silicone sealant are better than SS leads. The
RTV
17450silicone is to be applied only at the exposed copper connecting the pipes and no
17473where else. Or alternatively, you can construct the cell as seen from Panacea's
17496endorsed "
face="Times">the hydrogen shop"
version.
17744;left:342">
href="http://www.thehydrogenshop.com/">http://www.thehydrogenshop.com/
17995;left:0">
style="font-size:14px;font-family:Times">
18406Another construction option is illustrated in the following isolated wire plexi
glass design.
18810If using the sealed copper wire option, the ends of the copper wire needs to be
sealed
18833with high temperature heat resistant silicone sealant and should not contact water,
as
18857this generates a lot of greenish brown muck. Therefore put silicone sealant
or
18880automotive gasket silicon sealant all over it so that the water doesn't touch any of
these
18903parts. Then use the sealant over the exposed copper wire.
18941For stainless steel lead in wire, the thinner SS wire you use the higher the
electric
18965resistance. If you use SS go for the thickest possible leads you could weld. It is
advised to
18988reduce the outside length of the wires as much as possible to reduce resistance. Go
for
19011at least 3.0mm or higher to reduce the electrical resistance. Panacea choose to
spot
19034wield stainless steel wire onto our tubes. Our wires were 4mm thick. DO NOT USE 316L
AS
19183;left:0">
style="font-size:14px;font-family:Times">
19291LEAD WIRE THEY HAVE TOO HIGH A SPECIFIC RESISTANCE TO BE USED AS LEADS
19314approximately 46.8 times that of copper. Incase you want to introduce a resistance
on
19338the negative lead (60a….to 60n in Stan's Patents) you could always used a wire wound
19361variable resistance. This seems to have been the problem of leads heating up.
19399;left:377">Specific Resistances:
19437;left:345">Copper : 1.63 MICROHM-cm
19476;left:370">316 : 75 MICROHM-cm
19514Ravi chooses to use plastic tubing around his wires only to avoid shorting of the
positive
19537& negative leads.
19851;left:307">Ravi's cell showing the plastic insulated SS wire
19885The SS wires act as resistors. The specific resistance of 316L is around 75
Micro-Ohm-cm
19908and that of copper is 1.72 Micro-Ohm-cm. The leads heat up when higher amps are
19931drawn by the freq gen. I've replaced the leads up to the bottom of the WFC with
4
19955Sq.mm double insulated copper wire and the heat generation did come
down.
19993When choosing clamps for your water fuel cell. Always choose Stainless steal
Clamps,
20016never choose galvanized clamps, If the clamps rust then the nickel % is extremely
less
20039for it to be used. Galvanized are basically Mild Steel screws / clamps which are
zinc
20063plated. The plating would come off in no time and you will have brown muck all
over.
20086They have to be SS or the brown muck would never stop. Extra clamps for support are
20109ok but have to be SS 300 series (302,304,306, 308, 310, 316) only and not 200 or 400
20132series.For spacing between the tubes any nonconductive flexible material will do
even
20156the speaker wire plastic covering will work with this.
20194;left:211">Video 1: This video shows
the innards of the WFC without water
20371;left:0">
style="font-size:14px;font-family:Times;color:#0000ff">
20479;left:118">Video 2: This video shows
freshly filled Tap Water. No other impurities (Read no Salts or
20502;left:162">Acids or anything at all just plain tap water and not distilled water) added.
20541;left:387">Additional options
20579In one of Stans patents he talked about using
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetal_resin">
href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetal_resin">polyoxymethylene (Derlin) which has a
20602high dielectric constant. He used Derlin on the outside of the outer pipe and the
inside
20625of the inner pipe to contain the electron leakage. The barrier formed by the
20649conditioning (explanation below) coating has a comparatively lesser
dielectric
20672constant than the Derlin material thickness used. Also D14 originally talked about
20695creating slots in the outer pipes. This has not been confirmed yet, and should be
20718investigated further.
20757;left:408">Conditioning
20795Average time takes 4 weeks, based on Dave's and Ravi's reports. The impurities in
the
20818water differ from place to place. This makes a huge difference. You could see
this
20841difference by using ground water and water from streams and lakes which has been
20865exposed to sunlight. Ravi chooses to use tap water.
20903Electrode conditioning helps by providing an appropriate insulating layer on
the
20926electrodes and that helps to lower useless current leakage through the water.
Check
20950this video
color="#000000" face="Times">. You can see the confirmation of non conductivity of
the layer formed. The
20973white insulating coating formed during conditioning is non conductive in between the
20996tubes (pipe gap) so you need to take it for granted that the process is
basically
21019dielectric breakdown of the bonds. The initial conditioning is very important.
Ravi
21043recommends to only using the following process described.
21081DO NOT GO ABOUT CONDITIONING WITH HIGH AMPS ONLY AS YOU'LL ENDUP HAVING A
21104WEAKLY BONDED COAT ON YOUR NEGATIVE TUBES. LOW AMP CONDITIONING
IN
21127EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR PROPER BONDING OF LAYERS TO THE BASE METAL and
the
21151previous layers.
21189The bond strength of the layer can be increased further as after every cycle of
21212conditioning. You need to stop for an hour at least. During this period you can
let the
21235pipes air dry after every full cycle. This compacts the layer even more due
to the loss of
21259moisture from the surface. Then change the water and go about the next
conditioning
21282cycle. Never touch the layer till it dries up completely.
21320;left:233">Ravi's procedure originally given to him by Dave Lawton:
21358;left:145">1. Do not use any resistance on the negative side when conditioning the
pipes.
21397;left:117">2. Start at 0.5 Amps on freq gen and switch off after 25 minutes and stop for
30 minutes
21559;left:0">
style="font-size:14px;font-family:Times">
21667;left:271">3. Goto 1.0 Amps for 20 min and stop for 30 min
21705;left:271">4. Goto 1.5 Amps for 15 min and stop for 20 min
21743;left:271">5. Goto 2.0 Amps for 10 min and stop for 20 min
21782;left:276">6. Goto 2.5 Amps for 5 min and stop for 15 min
21820;left:114">7. Go to 3.0 Amps for 120 to 150 seconds. You will then need to check if WFC
is getting
21843;left:290">hot, if it does you need to reduce the time.
21882AFTER THE 7 STEPS ABOVE LET THE WFC STAND FOR AT LEAST AN HOUR BEFORE YOU START
21905ALL OVER AGAIN. You would hardly see any gas generation at the beginning and
it
21928makes a lot of brown muck. It took Ravi and Dave about one month before the brown
21951muck disappeared.
22306;left:384">Brown muck produced
22339Change the water after every cycle initially. DONOT touch the tubes with bare
hands if
22363the tube ends need to be cleaned of muck use a brush but do not touch!!
Ravi's
22386experience showed that leaving the brown muck in water for the next cycle goes on to
22409heat up the water and you need to avoid this. Over a period of time you will see
a
22433reduction in generation of the brown stuff. When the muck is reduced you should see
a
22456gradual decrease in the Amp draw for the same amount of generation. An
artist
22479painting brush would be perfect to clean the tube ends during and after
conditioning.
22502When you are conditioning you don't need to connect the VIC -voltage intensifier
22526circuit (Toroid + Inductors).
22564Eventually the pipes will not produce any brown stuff at all. At this point you
should now
22587have a very good generation of gas. You will get a whitish powdery coat on the
22610surfaces. Never touch the pipes with bare hands once this comes on.
22747;left:0">
style="font-size:11px;font-family:Times">
23064;left:294">A white insulation coating formed on the negative
23098DO THE CONDITIONING IN A WELL VENTILATED AREA OR PREFERRABLY CLOSE THE TOP
23121AND VENT THE GAS OUT IN THE OPEN. AS THE WFC IS LEFT ON FOR QUITE SOMETIME
EVEN
23145SMALL AMOUNT OF GENERATION CAN GET ACCUMULATED IN A CONSTRICTED SPACE
23168AND COULD BE A HAZARD.
23206The above process is to be done after annealing the pipes. See to it that no oxide
23229formation is left on the pipe and use a detergent to wash off the pipes and rinse
them
23253thoroughly with fresh water. Then assemble the setup including the leads and
base.
23276Finally flush the pipes with lots of fresh water do not touch the pipes with bare
hands
23299after this.
23337;left:229">Aaron's video explaining
about the non conductive Layer
23376When the power is switched on you see bubble formation on the external surfaces of
23399the outer tubes just like in the video. This happens all along during the
conditioning
23422process. Ravi states he remembers Dave saying that you know the tubes are
23445conditioned when these bubbles stop forming on the external tube surfaces and
you
23469see a white powdery coat on the tubes. Ravi went on conditioning even after that and
23492ended up with larger bubbles.
23530Ravi states it is critical that people follow the conditioning procedure as you get
very
23553uneven coat formation on the surface if you use High Amps for long periods. When you
23577go above 3 Amps there's a possibility of the coating flaking off. The bonding
between
23600layers would not be that strong. These layers form one over the other after every
cycle
23623of conditioning. The small time high Amp conditioning gives you an uneven coat and
23647the long time low Amp conditioning evens out this more or less. The longer you use
Low
23670Amp conditioning the better the end outputs!
23708Ravi has also used 0.2 amps for low amp conditioning. This is ideal how ever
time
23731consuming. If you do the procedure described above and still wish too build up a
23755better coat afterwards then you can use the 0.2 amp conditioning process
afterwards.
23935;left:0">
style="font-size:14px;font-family:Times">
24043A lot of people have been asking what the conditioning coat of Ravi looks like plus
why
24066they shouldn't touch and why it can't be dismantled and reassembled.
24105;left:430">Check:
24143;left:262">
href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leAtiaCygng">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leAtiaCygng
24474;left:387">WFC Circuits
24523;left:420">Alternator
24799;left:420">Stevie's Unit
24833For some there may be more losses in the alternator then the solid state version.
The
24856original alternator schematic will be included. It is recommended you use the solid
state
24879version and get it working first. The alternator was only done by Dave to mimic the
car's
24903operation in Stan's technology.
25123;left:0">
style="font-size:14px;font-family:Times">
25826;left:381">Bifilar Inductors Test
26311;left:0">
style="font-size:14px;font-family:Times">
26837One needs to experiment and search for superior circuitry as Stan Meyer did. Stan
had
26860a better circuit which he never disclosed - the UK TV documentary states that Stan
26884would not even let them point a camera at his more advanced cell.
26922The inductors were actually part of the VIC. Dave had used the exact specs (100
turns,
26945wire dia, etc) of the inductors mentioned in Stan's US Pat 4936961. Then Ravi had
later
26968added the toroid and the diode as per the VIC which increased the
efficiency
26992compared to using only the inductors. Ravi had not used the variable
inductor
27015mentioned in the patent. His were wire wound like mentioned in the old D14,
pg7.
27499;left:0">
style="font-size:14px;font-family:Times">
28166Ravi states "The inductor on both positive and negative is a must. I've made it
on a
28189Ferrite rod of 25 mm length 100 turns of Double Enameled Electrolytic Copper
(99.99%)
28212of 22 SWG (0.711mm dia)" which was what Dave suggested."
28438You will notice an increase in gas generation when the bifilars are connected. Try
with
28462one in the beginning if it heats up increase the number of inductors.
28687;left:0">
style="font-size:14px;font-family:Times">
28795Ravi used 9 individual bifilar wound inductors for 9 tubes with 22SWG magnet wires.
The
28818inductors and the toroid (Part of the VIC) do heat up after a while and the
efficiency
28842comes down this happens due to the temperature coefficient of resistance of
copper.
28865So the answer to this problem would be to use bigger inductors and toroids and
thicker
28888wires.
29378;left:361">Voltage intensifier circuit
29875;left:0">
style="font-size:14px;font-family:Times">
29983The VIC specs give as per patent 4936961 in page 6 of the toroid size would
probably
30006be OK for a very small setup but may be not for the lengths and the numbers Ravi is
30030using. Stan gave a basic idea of how it should be but we need to figure out the
specs
30053for our own build sizes. My WFC is not a done thing its still in an evolutionary
stage and
30076lot of combinations with the inductors are yet to be tried out.
30114The VIC basically needs a toroidal core and a 600V 40A metal diode with a heat
sink.
30138The specs of wire sizes and turns are in Stans US pat 4936961. He has a variable
inductor
30161in the patent on the -ve side but what Ravi has is a regular inductor, two of them
one
30184on positive and one on negative. Ravi states he would not suggest using bifilars as
30207inductors as they ended up shorting three of the tubes.
30504The 100 ohm 0.25W resistors were replaced with 100 ohm 0.5W as 0.25W kept burning
30528out. The bifilar inductors are wound on ferrite cores using the recommended turns
30551stated in the original D14 document.
30589When using Ravi's version, you must use the diode to cut out the back EMF, Ravi
states
30612that this is very important! And is what gives you huge generation, this part
is not
30636mentioned by Dave or in D14. You end up getting all the juice from the system only
if
30659your tubes are conditioned enough.
30697This video shows
color="#000000" face="Times">the higher output is all to do with the inductors mentioned in the D14
30721circuit and conditioning and slightly through the resistance wire to reduce the
current
30744draw. Even without the resistance you can get the same output but another 0.3 to
0.6
30767amps extra but I feel this could be offset by making a bigger inductor. Just go on
30790conditioning and keep reducing the amp draw to the WFC gradually and the
30814generation would kind of remain the same even at very low Amps. Once you condition
30837the tubes your generation will dramatically increase and the current required will
fall by
30860leaps. It took Ravi almost 3 months approximately to reach these
outputs.
31063;left:0">
style="font-size:14px;font-family:Times">
31573Above is a picture of the multiple bifilars Ravi tried on the WFC. These were
connected
31596to each pipe individually. Diode used 1200 V 40 Amps. Solid core length 8"
wound with
316190.711 mm conductor end to end. The generation increased by approximately another
3164310cc of gas for a 20 second period compared to regular wound inductors. This works
on
31666efficiency!! Need to try out other combos to see if it can increase some more.
32251;left:0">
style="font-size:14px;font-family:Times">
32916;left:391">Variable resistors
32954Ravi also experimented with using Nichrome 80/20 Resistance Alloy wire in 1.6 mm
32978diameter as the variable resistor. This has resistance of 0.52 Ohms/mt. The
efficiency of
33001the cell comes down initially. Ravi states that "if I dont use it for about three to
four days
33024but about ten to fifteen minutes after its switched on it gets back to the
higher
33047efficiencies".
33086If you go through Stan's patent 4,798,661 on page2 Figure 1 these variable resistors
are
33109designated by the numbers 60a to 60n which are individually connected to each of the
33132inner tubes. Ravi has not tried the immersed exciter array in figure 1 this could
probably
33155increase the efficiency even more!
33194;left:342">Connecting the unit to an ICE
33232The main reason why Ravi wanted to free source this process was to be used for
33255vehicles as this unit cannot / would not be allowed to be sold commercially as it
can
33278give you at least 50% gain in mileage! This would reduce the world's automobile
33302pollution problem drastically. Power generation through an ICE is not that feasible
due
33439;left:0">
style="font-size:14px;font-family:Times">
33547to the high wear pertaining to automobile engines when used continuously for months
33570together. As per Ravi's calculations the engine needs a re-bore every two months
if
33594used continuously!!. So the only viable alternative is to use in small Turbines. For
backup
33617gensets, IC Engines could be OK. When connecting to an ICE there are a lot of minor
to
33640major modifications and tune ups need to be done depending on the engine type and
33663year of make.
33702;left:168">Video 3: This video is after
the top is sealed and with an input of 0.5 Amps
33725;left:336">from the Frequency
Generator.
33763;left:373">Frequency Generator
33801;left:254">All Photo's Supplied by
href="http://www.vptechno.com/">http://www.vptechno.com/
34181;left:426">Front view
34627;left:0">
style="font-size:11px;font-family:Times">
35087;left:427">Rear view
35815;left:0">
37003;left:0">
style="font-size:11px;font-family:Times">
37667;left:384">Panacea's first test cell
37701;left:390">Variable inductor
37739Ravi is trying some variable inductor Concepts.
38191;left:0">
style="font-size:22px;font-family:Times">
38975;left:348">Faculty information
39024;left:388">Solid state version
39062Ravi advises that if the FETS in your signal generator are blowing, the best option
would
39086be to alienate the freq gen by introducing the VIC in between. Go through Stan's
US
39109Pat 4936961 for the construction details of the VIC. All that is required are the
inductors
39132and a torroid to be wound as per the patent. Ravi states to use larger diameter
wires
39155and a larger torroid to avoid heating up of the windings. Also use a high speed
600-
391791200V 40 Amp diode in between the positive of the inductor and the
toroid's
39202secondary. Problem solved!
39379;left:0">
style="font-size:14px;font-family:Times">
39487Originally Dave's 100 turn inductors were actually made from this VIC description.
He
39510did only the inductors and left out the torroidal and the diode. The torroid is the
one
39534that isolates the frequency generator and steps up the voltage. Ravi reports that he
has
39557already tested it and it improved the gas generation even more.
39595;left:375">Faraday calculations
39633Calculating 2.4 Watts x 1 hour long applied / liter. 2.4 Watt hours of energy per
Liter.
39657That's multiplied with the hour not divided by the hour.
39695;left:377">Volts x Amps = Watts
39733;left:376">12 x 0.51 = 6.12 watts
39771;left:278">The generation is around 7 cc/sec of H2 + O2
39810This converts to 4.66 CC of H2/sec which converts to 16.776 Lits / hour 16.776 x 2.4
watts
39833(Faraday/lit/hour generation) = 40.262 Watts. Ravi seems to be generating
the
39856equivalent of 40.2 watts as per Faraday with just 6.12 Watts. This would mean he is
39879generating 550% excess as the above works out to 40.2/6.12 x 100 = 656.86%656.86 -
100
39903(Faraday) = 556.86% OU !!
39941;left:191">Presently the approximate volumetric gas discharge by an inverted
39964;left:337">measuring flask is given below:
40011;left:266">INPUT--H2+O2 cc/sec---H2 only cc/sec---H2 Lit/hr
40057;left:294">0.5 A-----7.00--------------4.66-------------16.776
40081;left:294">1.0 A-----8.66--------------5.78-------------20.808
40104;left:293">1.5 A-----11.66-------------7.78-------------28.008
40127;left:293">2.0 A-----14.00-------------9.33-------------33.588
40150;left:291">3.0 A-----16.36------------10.91-------------39.276
40174;left:291">4.0 A-----18.00------------12.00-------------43.200
40212H2+O2 was calculated on an average basis for collection time of 30 secs. I'm not
very
40235sure of H2 and O2 volumes as I've calculated H2 as 2/3rd the volume of the total and
40258O2 as 1/3rd the volume. Incase im wrong please do let me know how to calculate
40282these.
40320;left:372">Video of Gas flow
test
40358The gas collected was over 150CC could be 160 / 165CC. As some might say
that
40382there could be Steam / Vapour / Mist lets just take the output as 150CC in 20 Secs.
This
40405comes to 7.5CC of gas/Sec at 0.48A - 0.50A. Last I checked with the old leads was
7.0
40428CC gas without any thing removed from the generation.
40567;left:0">
style="font-size:14px;font-family:Times;color:#0000ff">
40675This video
color="#000000" face="Times">shows the voltage input and the amps in both digital and analogue meters.
40698One part of the pulse circuit was switched off (left side 555 in the D14 with the
switch on
40722pin 3) and you can see that the current draw is over four fold.
40760;left:408">Conditioning
40798The conditioning time was pretty long. The surface forms a layer of Nickel oxides
along
40821with Chromium oxide as well and in the case of 316L you have @ 2% Molybdenum
in
40845the SS alloy but you could be right about the Cr oxides acting as a dielectric.
Nickel
40868passivates in air and forms oxides like Zinc in galvanised form. Example: incase you
40891need to electroplate on nickel you need to reactivate the surface layer before the
40914plating process or the plated layer just peels off.
40961The initial conditioning is very very important and I recommend to use the process I
40984posted as with lesser Amps you form a thin fine grain layer and once you increase
the
41007Amps the grain size of the deposition layer increases. The bigger grains can come
off
41031the surface easily...so once you do this you go back to the longer time low Amp
41054conditioning in the process I posted...this again reinforces the larger grains
deposited
41077during the high Amp conditioning to bond to the base / previous layer.
41124I have never posted this info before but this is the reason why different Amp levels
are
41147used in the process. I have to give the reasoning for the low Amp conditioning as a
lot
41170of replications seem to be taking the short cut method of conditioning at high Amps
to
41194save time.
41240PLEASE DONOT GO ABOUT CONDITIONING WITH HIGH AMPS ONLY AS YOU'LL ENDUP
41263HAVING A WEAKLY BONDED COAT. LOW AMP CONDITIONING IN EXTREMELY IMPORTANT
41287FOR PROPER BONDING OF LAYERS TO THE BASE METAL and the previous layers. FOLLOW
41310THE POSTED PROCEDURE. It's a time consuming process but worth the
effort.
41356The bond strength of the layer can be increased further as after every cycle of
41380conditioning you need to stop for at least an hour. During this period you can let
the
41403pipes air dry only after every cycle...this compacts the layer even more due to the
loss
41426of moisture from the surface...then change water and go about the conditioning
cycle.
41449Never touch the layer till it dries up completely.
41488;left:250">
href="http://www.mtaonline.net/%7Ehheffner/GlowExper.pdf">http://www.mtaonline.net/hheffner/GlowExper.pdf
41526Ravzz states- IT DESCRIBES WHAT REACTIONS HAPPEN DUE TO CONDITIONING!! IT
SAYS
41549THIS CONDITIONING COAT FORMS IN WATER WITH NICKEL.....WELL SS316L HAS THE
MOST
41573AMOUNT OF NICKEL IN THE 300 SERIES! This even confirms the reason why there is a
glow
41596in the WFC and even confirms that it can be seen only when its dark...and that's
what I
41619had seen. Looks like this the key to what happens during and due to conditioning.
The
41755;left:0">
style="font-size:14px;font-family:Times">
41863doc even talks about cold fusion taking place in the cell.....and over unity due to
the
41886conditioned coat!!
41925These docs should put an end to the reason why conditioning is so important and
why
41948the step conditioning needs to be followed.
41986;left:260">
href="http://www.mtaonline.net/%7Ehheffner/BlueAEH.pdf">http://www.mtaonline.net/hheffner/BlueAEH.pdf
42024;left:250">
href="http://www.mtaonline.net/%7Ehheffner/GlowExper.pdf">http://www.mtaonline.net/hheffner/GlowExper.pdf
42063;left:240">
href="http://www.mtaonline.net/%7Ehheffner/OrangeGlow.pdf">http://www.mtaonline.net/hheffner/OrangeGlow.pdf
42101;left:256">
href="http://www.mtaonline.net/%7Ehheffner/Key2Free.pdf">http://www.mtaonline.net/hheffner/Key2Free.pdf
42139The following may be related, could the plasma version of the "diode
effect" mentioned
42162;left:303">in papers previously mentioned above.
42201;left:271">
href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rUHeBPBzca0">http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rUHeBPBzca0
42239;left:354">Additional options
42288;left:413">Using Delrin
42943;left:0">
style="font-size:14px;font-family:Times">
43051In one of Stan's patents he talked about using
face="Times">polyoxymethylene (Delrin) which has a
43074high dielectric constant. He used Delrin on the outside of the outer pipe and the
inside
43098of the inner pipe to contain the electron leakage. The barrier formed by the
43121conditioning coating has a comparatively lesser dielectric constant than the
Derlin
43144material thickness used.
43182;left:347">Slots cut into the outer pipes
43221The picture below clearly shows there are slots in Stanley Meyers tubes, light can
be
43244seen though the slots eliminating the possibility of it being spacers. A Rectangular
slot
43267cut in the top of each tube can clearly be seen.
43632;left:225">Stan's cell in operation – Scene is taken from a documentary on Meyers
43666Since we are dealing with an acoustic resonance it makes sense to create slots in
the
43689positive of the tubes to help mimic the resonant frequency of the negative tubes. It
is
43712not known for sure why Stan did this at this time. Please consult the original
D14
43736document for more back round.
44131;left:0">
style="font-size:11px;font-family:Times">
44538;left:415">WFC by spike
44572The original D14 document described a way to create the same resonant pitch when
44596constructing. Please consult the original D14 document. An engineer has contacted
44619Panacea and offers the following advice.
44657Message: I have duplicated Stan Meyer's work, and have taken it several steps
forward.
44680First, during assembly of the generator, I have found that you must tune the tubes
to the
44704same pitch. I do it with a simple guitar tuner. Just clip it to the tube and strike
it with a
44727small brass (to prevent polarization) hammer. The easiest way to change the pitch,
it's
44750always the outside tube, grind a notch in it like Stan did. Second, oscillate it
with high
44773voltage, low amperage voltage. Water resonates at 926khz, and will disassociate
at
44797that range. Before conditioning the generator, briefly dry modulate it in 5 second
bursts,
44820with about 2 min between bursts for about 10 min. You should be able to hear it
hum,
44843and with a practice ear, tell if one set is out of pitch. I also added a toroid
coil, to
44866produce parahydrogen. Tube size is determined by the diameter of the cell, be it 4,
5,
44890or 6 but the optimum gap between tubes should remain .045 to .060. Try to maintain
the
44913low side. You are correct, in that it takes at LEAST 2 to 3 months to condition your
tubes. I
44936don't add the toroid until final assembly, and try to maintain a 1/8' gap from the
top of
44960the tubes to the toroid. I am currently running 70psi in the generator. -End
44998;left:380">Cold Current Circuit
45036If you are experimenting with the cold current circuit, and wish to alter the values
of the
45059circuit components for example the capacitors. Please keep the following in
mind.
45083Ignoring some relatively minor construction features, capacitors are all the same.
They
45106act as a reservoir for electrons. If you have a lot of electrons like in a power
supply, then
45129you need big capacitors - the bigger the better. If you are passing low frequency
AC
45152through a capacitor, then when the signal is high, electrons will flow into the
capacitor.
45176When the signal goes low, those same electrons will flow back out. You need to make
45319;left:0">
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45427sure that the storage capacity inside the capacitor is big enough to handle the
current
45450flowing in and out. If the frequency is high, then the signal is only high for a
very short
45474time and so not much storage capacity is needed. Consequently, high
frequency
45497capacitors can be very small in size. BUT if the capacitor is high quality and has
low
45520leakage as a component, then a large capacitor can do the job at high frequency
just
45543as well (though it is physically bigger, heavier and more expensive) - just
commonsense
45567really.
45605When used in a timing or oscillator circuit, small capacitors fill up faster and as
the
45628circuit switches over when the capacitor is full, the generated frequency is higher.
The
45651rate of current flow into a capacitor is controlled by the size of the resistor
feeding it -
45675the higher the resistor value, the lower the current flowing through it, the slower
the
45698capacitor charges up, the lower the frequency of the oscillator.
45736You will see this in, say, Dave Lawton's circuit where the frequency range is
selected by
45759switching a larger capacitor into the circuit to get a lower frequency. 47, 10 and 1
45783microfarad for slow, medium and fast gating while the high frequency oscillator
which is
45806being gated has 0.22, 0.1 and 0.01 microfarad capacitors giving a very much higher
45829frequency. (The old version was drawn with the switches operating in opposite
45852directions).There is lots of scope for variations, but typically, 10 microfarad
capacitors
45876are for switching in the 10 Hz or lower region, 0.1 to 1 microfarad for high audio
45899frequencies, and 0.01 or smaller for ultrasonic or radio frequencies.
45937A third party has confirmed that after speaking to Dave Lawton on the phone he
45960expressed the opinion that the size of the capacitors was not particularly
important as
45984the frequency was high. Dave was doubtful about that and said that the bulb
lit better
46007the larger the capacitor was. So, although some may see no logic for it at all, it
is better
46030to go with very large capacitors.
46069Note –on the circuit it looks as it is a DC cap. There is no such thing as "an
AC capacitor"
46092or "a DC capacitor" there are just "capacitors". They are all
the same, with the slight
46115exception of manufacturing differences in the materials used. Tantalum has minimal
46138leakage and can hold their charge for days on end, but they don't go above 1 mF in
46162capacity. Electrolytic capacitors can have massive capacities but their leakage can
46185be massive with the charge bleeding off rapidly from really big ones. So there is no
AC
46208or DC capacitors, just "capacitors" and any of them can be used for any
application.
46231Low capacitances can't handle low frequencies properly as they fill up long before
the
46255waveform has returned to zero, so the waveform gets chopped off and highly
distorted.
46293By showing the capacitors that Dave used, without making it clear that he used those
46316capacitors as they happened to be sitting on his bench at the time he was
46339experimenting with the circuit. It is highly likely that any electrolytic capacitor
will work
46363in that position. Just whack one in and see if it works well. A 'common-or-garden'
1000
46507;left:0">
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46615mF would probably do very well - just try whatever is to hand. It is definitely NOT
the
46638case that Dave tested lots of capacitors and found that the only ones that
worked
46662were the ones shown in the circuit.
47263;left:293">Analogy of the cold current circuit by Tao
47301Meyer's EEC circuit layouts compared to Lawton's recently posted EEC circuit that he
is
47324using to power that light bulb, among other loads. In the first image, Meyer's
simple EEC
47348is shown. In this setup, the 'amp consuming device' is analogous to Lawton's light
bulb.
47371When the water in the WFC is being split, electrons are dislodged from the water and
as
47394successive positive pulses happen the electrons are effectively 'sucked up' by the
amp
47417consuming device.
47456So, there are electrons in the water free, and when a positive pulse comes, the
47479electrons move to the right electrode and move through the 'amp consuming
device'.
47502In the second image, Meyer upgraded his setup and included a triggering mechanism
47525whereby he can choose when he applies the positive pulses to the 'amp consuming
47549device'. So Meyer could send some pulses to the WFC plates and split up the
water,
47695;left:0">
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47803then he could trigger the switch and send pulses to the 'amp consuming
device'
47826whereby the electrons from the water would flow through it.
47865Lawton on the other hand, has modified Meyer's EEC a bit with the addition of those
47888extra high capacity caps. These caps would, by thinking about it, charge up via the
47911continued HV pulses that are being applied to the WFC, analogous to a Bedini type
47934setup. The electrons would then move to and from the caps and cause fluctuating
47958current to hit the bridge rectifier and power his load. All in all, it seems there
can be
47981many different ways to implement the EEC.
48019;left:283">Insertion of a laser into the resonance cavity
48057In Stanley Myers' research papers, is the insertion of a laser into the cavity,
injecting
48081certain light frequencies into the cavity to assist in the fracturing process. This
would be
48104done by using a cell with cavity placements for high frequency light-emitting diodes
in
48127the area of 395 nm wave length. This cell would be conditioned, prepared and coils
48150wound to suit. After the conditioning process the cell would be finally tested with
light-
48174emitting diodes.
48212;left:386">Annealing by Rick
48250To understand this, you must first understand the manufacturing process. You are
talking
48274about "drawn" pipes, or tubing, which refers to the manufacturing process
of seamless
48297pipe or tubing. To simplify, let's assume that it is actually pipe. During the
manufacturing
48320process, the metal for the pipe is first formed into a solid billet (a solid metal
casting) of
48343cylindrical shape. The billet is then "drawn" (pulled) over a piercing
rod, which results in
48367the hollow core of the pipe. You can just imagine the stress that occurs to the
metal
48390during this forming process. If left in this state, the stress points can become
hairline
48413fractures that will spread and grow larger, especially if the pipe is heated and/or
48436cooled during use, or subjected to high pressures, and of course that would
eventually
48460lead to failure.
48498;left:113">Seamless pipe is normally chosen by fabricators because of its superior strength as
48521compared to seamed pipe, and therefore most seamless pipe does pass through an
48544annealing process. Annealing is a process whereby the formed pipe is heat treated
by
48568placing it in a special oven, at a closely regulated temperature, for an extended
48591duration of time. This heating relaxes the metal to relieve the stress points. After
48614annealing, some impurities will have risen to the surface, and the metal will appear
48637somewhat discolored. High quality stainless, or other smooth surface metal
piping,
48661would have its surface ground and then polished with special equipment. So unless
you
48684manufactured the pipes yourself, there's a good chance that they may already have
48707been annealed. Check with the manufacturer if you are not certain. The author of the
48731article which you quoted probably purchased annealed, but unfinished pipe, and
48754therefore was sanding the pipe on a lathe, with fine emery paper, to obtain a
surface
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48991similar to manufacturer polishing. Incidentally, FYI, pipe sizes refer to the inside
diameter
49014of the pipe, while tubing sizes refer to the outside diameter. You probably already
know
49038that, but I thought I would point that out because the terminology is often confused
or
49061misused.
49099It is interesting to me to note that some people believe that Stan Meyer actually
may
49122have tuned his pipes by slotting them at the top, as is done in tuning some types
of
49146organ pipes. While pipes in water would not generate the same tones or harmonics
that
49169they do in air, the technique could be useful in manipulating resonance, and the
49192degree of harmonic distortion produced, and this could have a considerable effect on
49215the end results of Hydrogen production.
49254I see that you are still just slightly confused and may need some further
clarification. Ravi
49277is right in saying that metal cutting can induce new stress points, and that is
particularly
49300true when the cutting method produces a significant amount of rapid heat
buildup,
49323such as when using a cutoff disc. Stainless pipes are difficult to cut, and thus are
very
49347susceptible to heat buildup unless you go very slow and use an abundance of
coolant.
49370I would suggest that anyone building a tube or pipe project order their material
laser
49393precut to the desired length. That will save work, time, and expense. If you
purchase
49417precut and polished ss pipes, you only need to sand the inner surfaces of the larger
49440pipes, and the outer surfaces of the smaller pipes that go inside the larger ones.
These
49463are the active surfaces, and sanding them has a positive effect on HHO generation.
If
49486you have pipe that has just come from an annealing process, you need to sand it on
all
49510surfaces to remove glazing and impurities. Sanding itself is not ordinarily a stress
49533producing procedure, unless done dry at high speed on a lathe, which would tend to
49556produce considerable rapid heating in the metal's surface area. It is best to use
wet
49579sanding techniques, and work slowly to keep things cool.
49618;left:402">Failed R and D
49656Ravzz-I felt it would be better to document these before others waste their time
doing
49679the same again. Pancake Bifilar was made from 1.626mm super enameled magnet
49702wire. The really long inductors you see there are of rusted soft iron pipes filled
with ferrite
49726powder.......they didn't work as expected nor did the pancake bifilar.
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50818;left:417">Anomalies
50856Dave mentioned that is some glow in the dark. Ravi checked it in pitch dark and
there
50880is some kind of orange glow coming from the bottom of the WFC but can't make out
50903exactly from where. He tried taking pictures s but didn't work they got all
pixilated.
50926Recently we have found a possible explanation for it, this explanation is contained
in
50949the conditioning documents. –End
50988;left:284">A closing Message from Ravzz
51036Regarding the recent findings: Published on Monday, August 11, 2008 by The
51060Guardian/UK- Meltdown In The Arctic Is
Speeding Up Scientists warn that the North Pole
51083could be free of ice in just five years' time instead of 60.
51259;left:0">
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51736Quote- SIT UP AND NOTICE PEOPLE! Its time people noticed that everything is
not hunky
51759dory! turning a blind eye and expecting others to do what ever is required
wouldn't
51782work any more...... politicians and self centered businesses are the root
cause for not
51805taking steps to slow down Global Warming if not prevent it! It saddens me that
they
51829don't even realize that they're screwing up their and their own children's
future by not
51852doing much.
51890Politicians are snoozing over the environmental impacts for Economics and
petty
51913politicking and favoring vested interests to bring out reforms to reduce the
global
51937implications. The people WHO ARE MONITORING THE BOARDS FOR WRONG REASONS
51960should consider that, we are trying to secure a survivable future for them,
their children
51983& grandchildren as well...all that we are trying to do is to clean the air
we breathe.... its
52006time they introspect their intentions as to what they might do with all the $$
when they
52030cant even breathe fresh air! The $$ would just be rotten paper then that cant
even buy
52053them health! Yes it hits me like a brick in the face and hurts that enough is
NOT being
52076done by the people who could actually take decisions to change the course!
– Ravzz
52100End quote.
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